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Requested move 16 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) b uidhe 22:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sex reassignment therapy → Medical gender transition – The expression "medical gender transition" is more common and readily understandable, corresponding to the terminology used in trans health scholarship and among trans communities. By contrast, sex reassignment therapy is ambiguous and because of the term "therapy" can readily create confusion with psychotherapy for trans people. Since "medical gender transition" more common and recognizable terminology, it would be easier to find by those relatively unfamiliar with trans topics and who are searching for information about it.

2607:F2C0:EACA:14C:C445:BB90:44EF:FED3 (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:Common name and WP:NCMED. See this recent move discussion that took place at Talk:Sex reassignment surgery. Similar rationale applies. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The IP's assertions are unsourced. "Sex reassignment" is the far more common medical term than "gender transition", and medical sources are what count per WP:NCMED. On PubMed, using quotes, "sex reassignment" returns 1,245 results (and "sex reassignment therapy" returns 10 results), while "gender transition" returns only 141 results (and "medical gender transition", only 3). I don't see any alternative to saying "therapy", as it says "sex reassignment" right in the title and defines it in the first sentence. Also, a big part of it is called hormone therapy. I don't think the risk of confusion with psychotherapy is a problem. Crossroads ^-talk- 04:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That strikes me as the wrong search, first because it doesn't address the issue of "therapy" being an inappropriate word, and two because of the search queries being over-inclusive as they'd include every instance of "sex reassignment surgery" even if the word is only or primarily used in that way, includes words that are just mentioned even if they're not prominently used in the article, and because it's all years instead of the more relevant last 5 years. Limiting to 5 years and to abstract + title (as a proxy for important words), the searching""sex reassignment"[title/abstract] NOT "sex reassignment surgery"[title/abstract] NOT "surgical sex reassignment"[title/abstract]" gives 47 results whereas "gender transition"[title/abstract] NOT "surgical gender transition"[title/abstract] NOT "gender transition surgery"[title/abstract] gives 115 results, and searching ""transition"[title/abstract] AND (transgender[title/abstract] or transsexual[title/abstract]) NOT "surgical transition"[title/abstract] NOT "transition surgery"[title/abstract]" gives 297 result. It's clear that in the last 5 years, the "transition"/"gender transition" have been more common than "sex reassignment" when talking outside of the specifically surgical context, which is not the topic of this page.

Oppose. The current tittle appears to be the more common name. Rreagan007 (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Possible COPYVIO

Checking for copy violations, from (% values are from Earwig's copyvio detector; these do not indicate who copied from whom; that is a separate check):

meit.info: 51.3%

Mathglot (talk) 05:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And the following two examples, copied from the US News article (see footnote #16), inserted August 27, 2015 by Flower f5a9b8 :

"No patients expressed regret about the transition process, including puberty suppression."
"De Vries nevertheless cautioned that the findings need to be confirmed by further research, and added that her study didn't set out to assess the side effects of puberty suppression."

These were reported by SandyGeorgia at WT:MEDRS. Mathglot (talk) 19:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uhhh... That meit.info site is a straight-up porn site, but they do indeed seem to copy several sentences of text from the article midway down the page for no apparent reason. I suspect that they plagiarized us rather than the reverse. Crossroads ^-talk- 05:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding that! Mathglot (talk) 07:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

US News: 56.1% Mathglot (talk) 07:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]