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December 20
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2024 Zagreb school stabbing
[edit]Blurb: In Zagreb, one child is killed and 7 others are injured in a school stabbing. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CBS
Credits:
- Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, as a national day of mourning has been called in the country. This is obviously a very significant event. Hijérovīt | þⰁč 19:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle. Article looks good to go too.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
December 19
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RD: Francisco Nemenzo Jr.
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philstar
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Filipino political scientist, educator Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Abhkaz parliament shooting
[edit]Blurb: Adgur Kharazia shoots political rivals Vakhtang Golandzia and Kan Kvartchia, killing and injuring them respectively outside the Abhkaz parliament. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A shooting occurs inside the People's Assembly of Abkhazia, killing one lawmaker and injuring another.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, The Moscow Times
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Breaking news, its made world headlines, unusual event. Please don't comment on article quality until its had a chance to expand. The options involved need articles and major expansion too. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Abkhazia is not a fully recognised sovereign state and isn't particularly well known to most people.
so I think it'd be prudent to also include that it's a region within the country of Georgiait's in essentially the same contested status as Crimea after the Russian invasion in 2008. Regardless, I think adding additional information to help people understand roughly where on Earth this has happened is needed. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Abkhazia is not a fully recognised sovereign state and isn't particularly well known to most people.
- Oppose: Abhkazia isn't a real country, it's a Russian proxy-state, the People's Assembly is only recognized by four countries. We shouldn't be posting updates about it to ITN. For example, we didn't post about the 2024 Abkhazian protests, which resulted in the collapse and resignation of Abkhazia's government. Scuba 15:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see why the political status of this place would be a factor. Surely if the mayor of Buffalo killed his opponent while running for Governor, it would be successfully nominated here - and I doubt anyone would claim that the murder of one's opponent isn't ITN because New York State isn't a country. Nfitz (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but you're missing the fact this would be if the Canadian pretend government of Buffalo had a former mayor shoot members of the city council. It's just a normal murder, but the people involved are LARPing as politicians. Scuba 05:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also this may be controversial to say but something like this happening in Buffalo would be such an extraordinary event in a fully integrated part of the world's dominant superpower that it would automatically be more notable than this happening in a tiny region occupied by the Russian army. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see why the political status of this place would be a factor. Surely if the mayor of Buffalo killed his opponent while running for Governor, it would be successfully nominated here - and I doubt anyone would claim that the murder of one's opponent isn't ITN because New York State isn't a country. Nfitz (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support pending article’s expansion. A politician shooting other politicians is very unusual, and the story appears to be in headlines across news outlets. I also subscribe to the opinion that the political status of Abkhazia is completely irrelevant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not a real country per Scuba. It's currently a two sentence stub. And to the extent it is getting news coverage, it's clearly not a major item. Politically motivated acts of violence are a near daily occurrence in the world. I'm not seeing anything that makes this stand out. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but obviously quality is not there yet. Stub has even less information than the blurb. Khuft (talk) 19:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now I'd actually argue that this may be relevant for ITN precisely because it is about separatist politics that may or may not have local and diplomatic consequences. But the relevant articles are currenly stubs, and there's not much coverage from other sources. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, a fatal attack on any legislature is newsworthy let alone one where the suspect is a legislator thereof
- Support on notability, Oppose on quality A long-serving and seemingly-respected mayor of a capital city publicly murdering his own political rival himself in broad daylight is an extremely unusual event, especially given it happened at the parliament building itself - however, the article is barely a stub. The Kip (contribs) 20:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, sure political assassinations happen a lot but not directly by a sitting politician. There are few partially recognised states in the world such that the bar shouldn’t be much higher for news coming from them
- Kowal2701 (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality. Extremely rare event: high-level political assassination by a politician. While Abkhazia is not well-recognized, it is de facto a sovereign state, thus making this not much different in terms of notability than the federal politics of a well-recognized state. However, the article is only 2 sentences long, and thus nowhere near substantial enough to blurb. -insert valid name here- (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- support seems very notable. If something like this happened in the US, France, or China, there would be no question as to if it should be posted. I see no reason as to why it shouldnt be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8d80:562:a38f:9aca:9cef:3ee:598c (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — The blurb does not state that Kharazia is a suspect. I have added an alternative blurb. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support on Notability but Oppose on quality This is definitely notable enough for ITN however article is still a stub and is nowhere near to being posted TNM101 (chat) 06:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Armed dispute between collaborators in a glorified Russian military district. Really not internationally notable at all. If this happened in the Georgian parliament it would be notable. Also the article is very poor and articles about Abkhazian politics are generally not in good condition. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Those making claims that this isn't notable because Abkhazia is a Russian proxy-state created in 2008 shouldn't forget that it's been an autonomous republic continuously since 1921. At that time, the majority of today's countries didn't have any form of autonomy. This doesn't mean that Abkhazia isn't part of Georgia, but its status hasn't changed a lot with the Russo-Georgian War.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle – Article is too short at the moment. Also, all the comments saying it's not news because it's Russian occupied doesn't make the news any less significant. You can disagree with Abkhazia's political status but that does not minimize notability. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Michael Leunig
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian cartoonist Stephen 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Mazan Rape trial
[edit]Blurb: Dominique Pelicot and 46 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot (Post)
Alternative blurb: Dominique Pelicot and 50 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sunuraju (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Southdevonian (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: International reporting. Of huge significance to those campaigning against sexual violence in France and elsewhere. 51 men were convicted of sexual crimes, but unsure how best to convey the nuance of these in a blurb. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, worldwide notable 2804:388:4125:E522:1:0:7D84:2D89 (talk) 10:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please elaborate. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: there is an ongoing WP:RM to move to "Mass rape of Gisèle Pélicot". I suspect most people are more familiar with her name than with the location. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - the BBC wording is "50 men sentenced in mass rape trial", Le Monde "All 51 defendants found guilty of rape or sexual assault", NYT "50 Others Guilty". I think that the blurb should express that it was Dominique Pelicot + 50. Turini2 (talk) 11:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am concerned at the excessive level of detail of the trial events. In most cases of such trials, we aim to summarize key points, not a day-by-day documenting which that is approaching. --Masem (t) 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support This case has been covered by the media across the world and the article is of good quality. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major case in France also receiving attention beyond the country. A better with more context might be needed (country etc). Gotitbro (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Been in the news internationally. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support, propose altblurb - I support the article's inclusion for quality (significant prose, well cited) and notability, but propose an altblurb to correct the number of men sentenced (see above). Also curious about rewording depending on the conclusion of the
RFCRM. ~Malvoliox (talk - Support, important trial in France that also echoes in other countries, with big international reach in media. --Cart (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephen: Gisèle Pelicot is an article itself. 2804:1B3:9700:9FC1:1184:91FC:CF68:64EE (talk) 01:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that we could tag her article as well (though keep the article on the trial the bold link) ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 02:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephen: Gisèle Pelicot is an article itself. 2804:1B3:9700:9FC1:1184:91FC:CF68:64EE (talk) 01:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I think the rapes perpetrated upon Mme. Pelicot were serial rapes, not a mass rape or mass rapes. Compare with mass killing vs. serial killings. I see someone above notes the BBC's use of mass rape trial but I think there, mass refers to the number of defendants on trial rather than the number of times she was raped. —71.105.243.101 (talk) 01:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I would also say the description "mass rape" gives an inaccurate idea. Kingsif (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
December 18
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RD: Sigrid Kehl
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VRT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Operatic singer, first mezzo then dramatic soprano, for more than 35 years "voice and face of the Leipzig Opera", then in East Germany, but she was one of the few who could also perform in Naples, Vienna, Geneva ... Unusually, she performed both Fricka and Brünnhilde in the same legendary Ring production, in her transition to soprano. The article was there, prepared by a good version in German, but references had to be applied and retrieved. Last addition after seeking help from Benutzer:Brodkey65. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: coverage seems thorough, supported by diverse sources --PaulBetteridge (talk) 16:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rik Van Looy
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VRT
Credits:
- Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)
- Updated by LM383 (talk · give credit), Honziczek (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article still needs work despite the 34 references. Borderline blurb-worthy, one of the all-time greatest cyclists (2 times world champion, 2nd most professional wins, won all classics), but would be nice to at least get him into RD. Fram (talk) 15:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: John Marsden
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian writer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Perry J. Dahl
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Neptune Society
Credits:
- Nominated by Toadboy123 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American flying ace during World War II Toadboy123 (talk) 01:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The death was on December 2, and is thus not recent. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- @MtPenguinMonster: was only announced on 17 December though. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - a very fine article ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
December 17
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RD: Nicholas Chia
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The 3rd Catholic Archbishop of Singapore. This was in a resume-ish format before I rewrote into prose and add some sources as well. Still a bit more to go for a minimum ITN pass; putting up here first. There are at least two notable events while he was in the office, which I will add on in the coming days. – robertsky (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Igor Kirillov
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk · give credit)
- Created by o po (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Russian general died this morning in an explosion. Ukrainian responsibility not confirmed yet. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Ukraine (SBU) claimed responsibility. Grimes2 (talk) 22:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Article needs a tidy-up before it is postable. There is at least one CN tag. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - looks good enough. Thanks, Grimes2 ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Well done fixing those cn tags. Looks good now. Yakikaki (talk) 21:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 22:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Port Vila earthquake
[edit]Blurb: A Mw 7.3 earthquake hits Vanuatu's capital Port Vila. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A 7.3 Mw earthquake hits Vanuatu's capital Port Vila.
News source(s): Magnitude 7.4 earthquake strikes near Vanuatu capital, BBC, Reuters, The Guardian, USGS
Credits:
- Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The epicentre is 30 km from Port Vila, and a shallow 7.3 Mw strike will have caused significant damage in a town of 50,000 people. At the moment, there is one reported fatality; the true death number will be much higher. The situation will become much clearer over the next 24 hours. Schwede66 08:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support There has been extensive damage to many buildings in Port Vila. This is the 4th largest earthquake by magnitude, this year. At this point there are at least 6 confirmed casualties. HelloThereQuestionablePerson (talk) 11:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait but lean support per nom. There a lot of unclear points in the article currently but this looks like it has potential to have a large impact ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lean Support- Article is fleshed out and very well cited. My only objection is the lack of coverage on the human impact, both here and in the media. –DMartin 15:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for the impact to become clearer. There's certainly the potential for this to be a big deal. but at present the news reports are mostly anecdotes and remote seismology. Things should become clearer once the authorities on the island make announcements and those reach the media. Modest Genius talk 15:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support — Well-sources, no major tags. Article has been developed enough considering Vanuatu's communication is down. Uncommon for an earthquake in Vanuatu to be so destructive. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 17:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The earthquake has caused quite a lot number of casualties, and it is rare for such a large earthquake to occur in Vanuatu. The references in this article are also good. Bakhos | Let's talk! 18:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: article in good shape and event is notable. Improvements can always be made, of course, but it doesn't need to be able to cross the bar of GA or similar just yet. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Major event and the article looks good enough. Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Marking this as ready. Schwede66 03:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) US drone sightings
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Widespread sightings of unidentified drones are reported across the United States. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drones-new-jersey-what-we-know/
Credits:
- Nominated by Departure– (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Anne drew (talk · give credit), Very Polite Person (talk · give credit) and Chetsford (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Comment why are you nominating if you do not want this to be posted? Please do not try to "game" the system. There is no need to "hear other's opinions" until this is properly nominated (by someone who wants it to be posted). Natg 19 (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's exactly what I thought, ITN isn't the place for discussion. TansoShoshen (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support if the blurb can be modified to a less affirmative statement like "allegedly unidentified drones" or something like that. While we apparently have RS that confirm drones have been spotted and those drones are unidentified, we don't have any RS that say this is "widespread" (rather, the belief in sightings seems to be what's widespread) and the expert consensus is triangulating toward the idea that almost all of these are misidentification of aircraft. But it is, in fact "in the news" so I suppose meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Moreover, it's not our job to protect humanity from delusion. Also, thanks to the excellent work of @Anne drew: and @Very Polite Person:, this article is as sober as possible to make it given the sources. Chetsford (talk) 00:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Easy fix for your concern re Blurb:
- Widespread reports of unidentified drones in the United States, beginning in New Jersey.
- How about that? As neutral as you can get and slips Jersey in, as the media/awareness as the main locus of it all. cc @Departure– & @Natg 19. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Easy fix for your concern re Blurb:
- Support. The article is up-to-date and outlines the major facets of this event (reported sightings, investigations, responses, and explanations). It is well referenced using reliable sources. The event is significant politically, drawing commentary from political leaders at every level of government and prompting the introduction of legislation. It has been internationally reported by many newspapers of record. There is relevance outside of the US, with events described as related being reported in the UK and Germany (see the background section). The coverage has been widespread, but also with deep coverage by outlets such as The New York Times, CBS, and The Guardian. The article is of decent quality; although the edits have been coming in rapidly, I think we've kept it fairly organized and balanced. Cheers Chetsford, it's been a pleasure working with you on it :) – Anne drew 01:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support posting to ITN as extremely (very) timely, and with zero indication this is going away--if anything, looking at the news and reports every night, it's accellerating, as nuts as that is to even write. Whatever it is, people are interested in it to where they're forcing Biden and Trump to speak out now (Biden is certainly next--Trump was today). There's no reason to not put it up, so we may as well. The article is extremely thoroughly sourced and nearly boringly written, like a proper article should be. Like @Chetsford said, it's very, very sober. As soon as this started to pick up steam and I noticed the article, that's why I immediately posted it to Fringe theories/Noticeboard (link to thread) for more eyes. I think it's timely, necessary, and for a Frankenstein of an article, shockingly well written already and beyond thoroughly sourced. h/t and a half to @Anne drew for the bad-ass copy-editing (she beat me to it!). 2024 New Jersey drone sightings sails past any scrutiny related to policy. I get some of us think it's nonsense. Maybe it is. But our personal views are always irrelevant to mission. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose we don't post conspiracy theories to ITN. Scuba 01:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- What's the conspiracy theory? The Joint Chiefs of Staff, Department of Homeland Security and New York Governor confirmed they're real. Not all of them, certainly, but we're past from all levels of government the idea it's all some mass delusion. The WP:RS in the article spell it out. We've been beyond methodical in keeping the article factual against sources. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- So true! The Iranian mother-ship off the coast is spying on Bergen county! The Drones are real! Scuba 02:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- What's the conspiracy theory? The Joint Chiefs of Staff, Department of Homeland Security and New York Governor confirmed they're real. Not all of them, certainly, but we're past from all levels of government the idea it's all some mass delusion. The WP:RS in the article spell it out. We've been beyond methodical in keeping the article factual against sources. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on account of the fact that the only real way to describe the events in question are "something is happening". It doesn't seem that the government believes them to be threatening. I think if you compare to the balloon, that was eventually ascribed as being Chinese, and even if the eventual diplomatic impacts of it were little, it WAS an international affair of sorts. If it's found out that these drones are the work of foreign agents, that's a big deal, but right now the only real impacts we've seen from them, to my knowledge, have been minor airport disruptions, which aren't exactly uncommon anyway. Very possible this ends up being a nothingburger, covered extensively or not. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Given how much wacky conspiracy theories and other nonsense from the extreme political spectrum, this is not a real news story. Should they prove to be anything legit (like the Chinese weather balloon from a few years back), then maybe there's something to post. --Masem (t) 02:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose - People have been sighting UFOs for decades. The fact that the news cycle has latched onto these sightings for whatever reason doesn't make them actually notable. –DMartin 04:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Whatever or whoever this is, it’s something. That has drawn the attention of the political, military, civilian and media worlds, the latter putting this story at the front of the news from top to bottom of the media spectrum. Opposers fail to convince that this story is unworthy of ITN, and the article, as noted, is carefully sourced and written from a strong NPOV, a credit to Wikipedia. I suggest a posting admin take the strength, and lack of strength, of the arguments into consideration. “In the News?” Absolutely all over the news, for several cycles now. Jusdafax (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Except that WP is not a news ticker. Just because a story is well-covered in the news does not make it appropriate for ITN, particularly as there's no yet firm explanation for what's going on. Front page is not good for speculative stories that just have happened to catch the media's attention. — Masem (t) 04:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, we disagree, that’s all. I don’t for one minute buy the “not a news ticker” argument, with all due respect to you. That could be used on any news item. To quote the main ITN entry “ The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest. ITN supports the central purpose of Wikipedia—making a great encyclopedia.” This is the lede paragraph at ITN. And at the end: “ Events are added based on a consensus on the ITN candidates page, using two main criteria: a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments.” The quality is good, the significance high, the material updated. Consensus is established by the weight of the discussers, not the number, as you well know. Again, with more due respect, in my opinion all I’m seeing from opposers here is WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 05:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- "making a great encyclopedia" is important - the problem is that the drone sightings are questionable right now as an encyclopedic topic per NOTNEWS. There's no indication this is going to be an event that will have enduring coverage yet, because there's tons of speculation of what they are and no immediate threats. If it turns out there were a foreign entity that would lead to diplomatic issues, maybe there's something. But with all the wacky theories and explanations to try to explain them, its like claims of UFO sightings, its interesting but not something that WP should readily be documenting at this point. — Masem (t) 13:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, we disagree, that’s all. I don’t for one minute buy the “not a news ticker” argument, with all due respect to you. That could be used on any news item. To quote the main ITN entry “ The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest. ITN supports the central purpose of Wikipedia—making a great encyclopedia.” This is the lede paragraph at ITN. And at the end: “ Events are added based on a consensus on the ITN candidates page, using two main criteria: a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments.” The quality is good, the significance high, the material updated. Consensus is established by the weight of the discussers, not the number, as you well know. Again, with more due respect, in my opinion all I’m seeing from opposers here is WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 05:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Except that WP is not a news ticker. Just because a story is well-covered in the news does not make it appropriate for ITN, particularly as there's no yet firm explanation for what's going on. Front page is not good for speculative stories that just have happened to catch the media's attention. — Masem (t) 04:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion for alternate blurb: Investigations by the U.S. Government and independent experts fail to find anything anomalous related to the 2024 New Jersey drone sightings. References: [1], [2], [3], etc. Chetsford (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose — There is no indication what these objects are; most of them the videos depict planes. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose That some people have become so panicked or conspiratorial that the USA government has had to intervene is not only ridiculous but irrelevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Has there been a contemporaneous example of mass hysteria that made it onto ITN? Ornithoptera (talk) 06:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose local news Kowal2701 (talk) 07:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Nothing special seems to have been found so far but investigations are ongoing. In the meantime, I like the story about the murder of crows, which seems more seasonal. Watch the skies! Andrew🐉(talk) 08:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If people with tinfoil hats want to believe that videos of aircraft and Venus (which 95% of these things are) are posing a major threat to the USA, it probably needs to stay on X and other nuthatch meeting places. I suppose the fact that this nonsense has made it into the actual news and the fact that the DHS has said there are a few real sightings makes the story itself somewhat notable even as an exercise in how conspiracy theories spread, but nothing more than that. Black Kite (talk) 08:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose And WP:TROUT to the nominator, enwiki specifically avoids WP:POINT edits. Gotitbro (talk) 08:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because nothing much has actually happened. Beyond that, if the nominator of an item doesn't want it to go forward to the home page (for instance because new facts come to light, or the story is overtaken by another, related one), we generally close the nomination unless there is an excellent reason not to. I'm therefore calling for a procedural close of this item. Users ought not to make proposals they do not want to see carried out; trying to achieve a negative result so as to establish some kind of benchmark or precedent is, as Gotitbro observes, a violation of WP:POINT; it's also unlikely to succeed, as users generally (correctly) invoke WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS when people try to rely too strongly such precedents. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to disrupt the wiki or anything; from my perspective, I just wrote a neutrally-worded and properly attributed blurb with a built-in oppose vote and that's all. I would have opposed this if and when it was nominated anyway. But I see your point and I'll try to avoid opening nominations for this in the future. I will stand by the point that as of now this event is more or less nothing. Departure– (talk) 13:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's a mystery for sure, but unless/until there's some public announcement of who is responsible or determination that something nefarious is going on, there's no actual impact yet. 'Something unusual happened, but we don't know what it is, who is responsible or what the impact might be' isn't suitable for an ITN blurb. Separately, I find the nomination comments bizarre and counterproductive - if you don't think this should be posted, simply don't nominate it. Seems like a deliberate waste of time. Modest Genius talk 15:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, oppose for now. Until something actually happens, this really shouldn't be on ITN. Keep in mind this isn't affecting my !vote, but 99% of these are almost certainly civilian-operated aircraft, hobbyist drones, or Venus. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and SNOW Close per GenevieveDEon. If the nominator himself opposes the nomination, why is this even up? This has been mere trivia here in Europe (if covered at all). Maybe the news cycle was particularly slow in the US when this emerged. Khuft (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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(Ready) RD: Dick Van Arsdale
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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- Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American basketball player, 3-time NBA All-Star. —Bagumba (talk) 10:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Marking ready, as days without an objection.—Bagumba (talk) 09:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Macoto Takahashi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News, ComicBook.com
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- Updated and nominated by Morgan695 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Highly influential manga artist. Died in November, but death was only announced today. Morgan695 (talk) 20:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article is fairly short but everything appears to be cited. ForsythiaJo (talk) 16:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 05:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Abundant Life Christian School shooting
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Three people are killed and six others are injured in a school shooting at the Abundant Life Christian School (pictured) in Madison, Wisconsin, United States. (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters, BBC
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- Nominated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Another Believer (talk · give credit)
- Comment Reopened as I believe the closure to be inappropriate since it was premature. There were no comments here so it can't be concluded that consensus wouldn't develop for a posting. A reminder to closers that they should assess the consensus, not create it. Noah, BSBATalk 04:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as shootings of this magnitude are common within the United States. There have been several events with more fatalities than this one since 2024 began. Noah, BSBATalk 04:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:SNOW close. Gotitbro (talk) 05:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 83rd school shooting in America this year. I don't like your chances of a consensus developing. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and SNOW close another day, another shooting in the USA. Sad routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Jean Adamson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:80C6:3571:686F:3F52 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kat Wylfa (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: British children's author and creator of Topsy and Tim. 240F:7A:6253:1:80C6:3571:686F:3F52 (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: in my view, sources are too often absent or unclear; there also seems to be some direct copying from sources which may not be appropriate; and I wonder about the structure of the whole article, which has a lot of sections and may not properly reflect the subject's life--PaulBetteridge (talk) 16:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
(RD Ready) RD/blurb: Zakir Hussain
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Indian tabla player and classical musician Zakir Hussain dies at the age of 73. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The hindu Times of India npr, NYTimes
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- Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheAstorPastor (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Indian tabla player, composer, percussionist Spworld2 (talk) 08:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Deserves attention. Death of a musician who has done a lot in his career and background is definitely notable. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Shouldn't this be moved to 15 December since he died at 11 PM, Sunday (UTC) NDTV i.e, 4pm in San Francisco time The AP (talk) 06:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't yet evaluated the article's quality, but there's an argument for a blurb here; Hussain was among the most famous Indian classical musicians, and certainly the most famous player of his chosen instrument. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb oppose on quality - I have added a bunch of sources for his soundtracks and awards but couldn't find an appropriate source for 2000 Istanbul International Film Festival (Turkey) ; help would be appreciated The AP (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as article lacks any claim for why he was a major/great figure outside one line in the lede. If he was such an important figure in bringing Indian music to worldwide audiences, I'd expect a decent sized legacy section to explain this, not just a passing statement. Masem (t) 19:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Zakir Hussain has long been recognised as one of the most major exponents of Tabla for over thirty years. He is the son of Ustad Allah Rakkah, who was Tabla player for Ravi Shankar. He has a huge discography and has performed thousands of concerts to worldwide acclaim. Majormiser (talk) 11:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lots of performers have huge discographies and have played concerts worldwide, that is not what makes them great/major figures. We need a sufficiently good amount (eg not just one statement) of sourced content to explain that legacy beyond just performances. That might be possible to add from the various obits going around, but without that, its not clear to the casual reader why we'd post this person as a blurb. — Masem (t) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- While a legacy section has been added, it is really weak and just including brief quotes from obits. It should be far better connected, looking for sources pre-death that establish this. Also, while the discography I see is bulk sourced, the filmography and soundtrack sections have no sourcing, so that remains a problem for even an RD. --Masem (t) 05:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Zakir Hussain has long been recognised as one of the most major exponents of Tabla for over thirty years. He is the son of Ustad Allah Rakkah, who was Tabla player for Ravi Shankar. He has a huge discography and has performed thousands of concerts to worldwide acclaim. Majormiser (talk) 11:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not international news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's a completely invalid reason. ITN items do not have to have international coverage to be considered. And in this case, that's just a falsehood since there's plenty of western sources covering his death. --Masem (t) 02:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Blurb definitely seems worthy, Great Norwegian Encyclopedia[4] (translated): "Hussain was of great importance for the development of the tabla as a solo instrument and to make the instrument known internationally." Though agree with Masem that in article attribution needs to be shown. Gotitbro (talk) 07:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Definitely support Blurb. He was among the most famous/prominent (if not the most) Table players. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD and blurb Probably the most famous tabla player. Death reported by western media outlets as well. Article is of good quality but has 1 cn tag. TNM101 (chat) 05:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have fixed the cn tag The AP (talk) 07:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD-Nizil (talk) 08:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) Cyclone Chido
[edit]Blurb: Cyclone Chido makes landfall in Mozambique, and kills more than 89 people in Mayotte. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Cyclone Chido kills at least 119 people in southern Africa.
News source(s): AP, Reuters, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)
- Created by Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrJaydenfire (talk • contribs) 20:40, 2024 December 15 (UTC)
Oppose – Until orange tags are addressed. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 23:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support – Orange tags addressed, article quality improved, significant disaster. There is still space for improvement but the article is suitable for feature. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 17:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality until article updated and including information on the impact for all countries. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per Joseph2302. This is obviously a major catastrophe, but the article does not reflect this and referencing is quite poor. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality due to multiple orange tags. The Kip (contribs) 08:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support orange tags addressed Kowal2701 (talk) 20:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is now at an acceptable level of quality. Update blurb before posting. NorthernFalcon (talk) 08:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- I see an orange tag. Schwede66 14:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support I am going to expand and correct the meteorological history, as this storm was the deadliest since Kenneth in 2019. HurricaneEdgar 01:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please ping me when you are done, HurricaneEdgar. Schwede66 02:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: The meteorological history has been expanded and is now ready to be posted, as the issue has been addressed. HurricaneEdgar 06:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please ping me when you are done, HurricaneEdgar. Schwede66 02:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Oil spill in the Kerch Strait
[edit]Blurb: At least one person has died and approximately 3,700 tonnes of oil has been spilled after two Russian oil tankers were damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Approximately 3,700 tonnes of oil has been spilled after two Russian oil tankers were damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait.
News source(s): Kyiv Post ABC News Business Standard
Credits:
- Nominated by CommissarDoggo (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Of course the incident happened today, but I don't see the facts changing much until tomorrow. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the environmental toll becomes clear. I also recommend rewriting the blurb as something similar to "Two oil tankers cause an oil spill after being heavily affected by a storm in the Kerch Strait". Departure– (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense, yeah. I will note that it's not actually clear at the moment whether both of the vessels are leaking oil, what is clear is that Volgoneft-212 is. I'll definitely write a shorter altblurb though. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I don't think the death toll is notable if it's only 1. Oil spills don't typically cause super high human fatalities, and since this is even below that bar, the death toll itself shouldn't be in the blurb. (Do not take this as an oppose vote.) Departure– (talk) 19:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- What about killing a vast number of non-human lifeforms? Also let please not use WP:MINIMUMDEATHS arguments if we can help it. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm talking about blurb syntax. I don't remember the last time we posted an oil spill but all eyes should be on the environmental consequences, not the one guy who died in the shipwreck. Departure– (talk) 22:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- We have posted major oil spills that had no initial loss of human life, such as Norilsk oil spill in 2020. We do need to get an idea of how much oil actually spilt, there's potential for a lot from the capacity of the ships but no word to the estimate of how many gallons actually spilled. — Masem (t) 22:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I realize I worded that weirdly. It's not an oppose vote, I'm just saying that the blurb we do post shouldn't include the single human fatality that has occurred so far. I'll wait to vote until the extent of damage to the environment becomes clearer. Departure– (talk) 22:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- We'll probably get an estimate some time tomorrow, with the storm apparently ongoing and it being around 01:17 in that area right now complicating things. CommissarDoggoTalk? 22:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Abcmaxx and Masem. Oil spills are significant as they cause environmental disasters, and we have posted such events in the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- What about killing a vast number of non-human lifeforms? Also let please not use WP:MINIMUMDEATHS arguments if we can help it. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I don't think the death toll is notable if it's only 1. Oil spills don't typically cause super high human fatalities, and since this is even below that bar, the death toll itself shouldn't be in the blurb. (Do not take this as an oppose vote.) Departure– (talk) 19:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense, yeah. I will note that it's not actually clear at the moment whether both of the vessels are leaking oil, what is clear is that Volgoneft-212 is. I'll definitely write a shorter altblurb though. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Update per Novaya Gazeta source: both the 212 and 239 had leaked oil. State media reports that both leaks have stopped, but a maximum of 3,000 tonnes of oil had been spilled into the environment. This is well below the figure of 17,500 from the Norilsk spill or indeed many other spills since then. I'm really not seeing much reason to post if these reports are to be believed. The most that could have theoretically leaked is between 9,000 and 10,000 tonnes. However, given the background of the Russo-Ukrainian war and the current state of Crimea and the location of the spill in the Kerch Strait region, this might just garner enough notability to be posted, but I'm not seeing that yet, as of 14:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC). I do think a lot of these oil spills should be posted, alongside derechoes as well (the August 2020 Midwest derecho was the costliest thunderstorm in history and was closed in nominations for being "not important in the context of wider US politics / etc" - I think Cedar Rapids was still dealing with damage repair earlier this year) - these events have significant impact that can be much wider than be deduced solely by news coverage. Departure– (talk) 14:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait/Oppose. Hard to know the exact environmental impacts that will be seen, many of which may not be apparent in the near future. Should this information come about soon, that would be a good time to reevaluate. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, it seems the tankers were mostly empty. Abductive (reasoning) 13:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- According to what sources? The sources currently added to the article and all current sources I'm finding are pretty clear, an estimate of 3,700 tonnes of heavy fuel oil being spilled from the two vessels combined, with one carrying 4,900 tonnes and the other carrying 4,300. CommissarDoggoTalk? 13:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's their fuel, right? Their holds were empty of crude oil. Abductive (reasoning) 20:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, that's their cargo. They were transporting mazut, a type of heavy fuel oil. CommissarDoggoTalk? 20:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's their fuel, right? Their holds were empty of crude oil. Abductive (reasoning) 20:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- According to what sources? The sources currently added to the article and all current sources I'm finding are pretty clear, an estimate of 3,700 tonnes of heavy fuel oil being spilled from the two vessels combined, with one carrying 4,900 tonnes and the other carrying 4,300. CommissarDoggoTalk? 13:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
December 14
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RD: John Spratt
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
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- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former high-ranking U.S. representative. Curbon7 (talk) 01:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Notable politician within Post-1992 American politics. Much more notable in my view than some other nominations. Jayson (talk) 20:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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Curbon7 (talk) 11:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Updated with a few sentences and several citations since the death, article is well fleshed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malvoliox (talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Isak Andic
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E8CD:74DA:23C1:323A (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Edwardx (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Mango. 240F:7A:6253:1:E8CD:74DA:23C1:323A (talk) 06:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Georgian presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Mikheil Kavelashvili is elected President of Georgia. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Passed a few hours ago. There'll be protests and whinging the next 2 weeks (especially on dec 29th, but per the remit of wiki he is elected. Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for two reasons. Firstly, the president doesn't administer the executive power in Georgia (see List of current heads of state and government for more details). Secondly, the president of Georgia is elected by an Electoral College, not in a direct democratic way through open election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Umm, USA uses an electoral college (technically trump is not elected yet, that happens this month)Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- There are two big differences. Firstly, the US president administers the executive power, so the method of election is irrelevant as long as it's an ITN/R item. Secondly, there is an open presidential election in the US to determine the composition of the Electoral College, whereas the presidential election in Georgia is done under closed doors by an Electoral College composed of all parliament members (50%) and other representatives (50%). The comparison will hold if the open presidential elections are abolished in the US, and the president is elected by the members of the Senate and representatives of other governing bodies.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Umm, USA uses an electoral college (technically trump is not elected yet, that happens this month)Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Georgia moved to a parliamentary system a few years ago which made the presidency a ceremonial role. Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is head of state.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- We typically post changes in the leaders that hold executive power, not necessarily the head of state. That would be the PM in Georgia under its current system. In the US, it's the president. In India, it's the PM (not the president). In Germany, it's the Chancellor (not the president). We may discuss changes in ceremonial posts, too - e.g. King Charles III was posted - but it's not ITNR and it's not a given. Khuft (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is head of state.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait The story here is not that a new President of Georgia was elected by Parliament, but that the election is disputed and this may lead to a constitutional crisis if e.g. protests become even more disruptive or the current president Zourabichvili decides to refuse to leave. So let's wait to see how the situation evolves. Khuft (talk) 14:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- The protesters may not accept the new president, and Zourabichvili may refuse to leave, but it's really irrelevant in the whole story. Georgian Dream have full control over the Electoral College, so they can practically elect any candidate they want. In general, ruling political parties elect the president almost always when there's no open presidential election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- My point was rather, if the situation degenerates in Georgia, there may be something to post. But that will be a revised nomination, if it happens. Khuft (talk) 15:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- That should be a separate nomination.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- My point was rather, if the situation degenerates in Georgia, there may be something to post. But that will be a revised nomination, if it happens. Khuft (talk) 15:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- The protesters may not accept the new president, and Zourabichvili may refuse to leave, but it's really irrelevant in the whole story. Georgian Dream have full control over the Electoral College, so they can practically elect any candidate they want. In general, ruling political parties elect the president almost always when there's no open presidential election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, per Khuft Let us also not underestimate what is happening. The fact that a president denies that she wants to leave office because she considers the parliamentary elections to be fraudulent (and European institutions have also pronounced so) is not trivial, it is notorious and could lead to a constitutional crisis for the most important office in the country, even though have not executive powers. In any case, it has been customary to post the election of presidents of republics of parliamentary systems. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb wasn't elected, he was nominated, or you could go as far as saying installed. Opposition is currently boycotting every process since the falsified elections Abcmaxx (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- no, he has been elected by Parliament, even if he has not taken office. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's a sham election, ran unopposed, so he was de facto installed by an undemocratic regime. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If I have all the details here straight:
- This wasn't a general election—that was in October—and the head of government in Georgia is actually the prime minister, so this is not under WP:ITN/R.
- The actually notable thing about this process seems to be the turmoil around it: according to the BBC, the outgoing(?) president refuses to recognize the results, opposition parties boycotted the process, and there are protests in the streets. That feels significant to me, but this nomination does not really bring them up.
I agree that we should wait (per Khuft and _-_Alsor) and see if this becomes a real constitutional crisis, and then renominate (per Kiril Simeonovski). Yo.dazo (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol
[edit]Blurb: The President of South Korea, Yoon Suk Yeol (pictured) is impeached following his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The President of South Korea Yoon Suk Yeol is impeached following his martial law order in the second attempt by a vote of 204-85-11 with Han Duck-soo becoming interim president.
News source(s): The Guardian BBC Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Passed with a vote of 204 in favour. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. --Direct700 (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- support Came here to post it. Added alt blurb. It has to go through the constitutional court, but he will likely resign tonight.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Second blurb's information is slightly incorrect, because it was 85 opposed, with the 11 remaining between abstentions and spoiled ballots. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, fixed. Change if you want.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Second blurb's information is slightly incorrect, because it was 85 opposed, with the 11 remaining between abstentions and spoiled ballots. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: 204 - 85 would be better statement Didgogns (talk) 08:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Add a comma in the main blurb. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- But I would still Support. This is a major event in South Korea. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would lean towards the main blurb because it gets the point across nicely. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- But I would still Support. This is a major event in South Korea. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: clearly a major global event TheFellaVB (talk) 08:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Impeaching of a certain head of state is a major event. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- You mean sitting head of state?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support for self-evident and WP:ITN/R reasons. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support ASAP, article clearly in good shape, and hopefully the beginning of the end of political turmoil in South Korea.廣九直通車 (talk) 09:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major news HurricaneEdgar 09:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posting, the short blurb is fine. --Tone 09:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Howdy, mind throwing me the ITN credit Tone? Thank you in advance! Ornithoptera (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Should we replace the ITN image too? No offence meant towards Gukesh, but I think this is kind of more important. Also, we should probably replace the image with one of Han Duck-soo since he's now the acting president. Yo.dazo (talk) 09:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there's a image on Commons showing National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-shik signing the impeachment resolution. Maybe that would be a good selection.廣九直通車 (talk) 10:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. River10000 (talk) 13:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is ITNR, so the new prez should be mentioned.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. River10000 (talk) 13:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there's a image on Commons showing National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-shik signing the impeachment resolution. Maybe that would be a good selection.廣九直通車 (talk) 10:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nom. IDB.S (talk) 11:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment Would an image of Han Deok-soo be available to put? Dyaquna (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
December 13
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RD: Lorraine O'Grady
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:1BC:CF87:9EC0:9B1E (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Raggachampiongirl (talk · give credit) and Boredintheevening (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American conceptual artist. 240F:7A:6253:1:1BC:CF87:9EC0:9B1E (talk) 01:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- +1, giant of conceptual art, important Black woman artist Raggachampiongirl (talk) 03:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are you commenting on quality, or notability? All Recent Deaths entries are notable enough to be posted, and if you do want to see this processed sooner your comments and direct improvement efforts should focus on whether the article is well cited and updated. Departure– (talk) 03:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Soft oppose for a few uncited statements, but otherwise the article looks quite good. ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Article is orange-tagged. Schwede66 01:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
RD: Kevin Andrews
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], [6]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk · give credit), Canley (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 01:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support. No change need be made. Hyperbolick (talk) 06:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 10+ {cn} tags across this wikiarticle. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Currently 15 {cn} tags. Schwede66 01:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
New French PM
[edit]Blurb: François Bayrou is appointed Prime Minister of France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: François Bayrou is appointed Prime Minister of France after the collapse of the Barnier government.
News source(s): The Guardian, L'Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Khuft (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Bayrou was nominated by Macron today; transfer of power from Barnier happened in the afternoon. Khuft (talk) 19:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is not sufficiently updated. The rest of the article isn't a quality showstopper for ITN though, so a few more sentences in the body would help here. Departure– (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb should probably link (but not necessarily highlight) the no-confidence vote that led to this. --Masem (t) 01:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb now that the entry has been updated with information about Bayrou's strong-arm tactic -- the threat of removing centrist support for the government if Le Cornu were nominated instead... (nb: automatic ITN/R) -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:41, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb. The article is in good enough shape, including the update. Nsk92 (talk) 14:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've had a look and see a lot of unreferenced content in the target article. Nothing is marked as "citation needed" but it easily could be. Hence, I'm not comfortable posting this. Schwede66 01:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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