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Undue weight attributed to George Bridgart's contribution

^{[undue weight? – discuss]} 2A00:23C7:D791:4F01:CDCC:8E4C:30D8:F63B (talk) 11:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This tag was added on my initiative, so I will restate my reasoning for adding the tag. The current mouseover tool tip does not expound on the reason, and no relevant text is shown unless you go in the source editor.

The reasoning I provided is:

How much involvement did Bridgart really have? In the Nottingham Review article, he is mentioned once as G. Bridgart, with no mention of first name either, among a team of other builders. The current sentence implies he had as much involvement as William Railton.

I added the undue weight tag (diff), because I was in the process of expanding and improving references throughout the article. I noticed that there is only one article that mentions a Bridgart by name. Here is a quotation of the text:

It has been built under the superintendence of Wm. Railton, Esq., of Regent-street, London. A considerable portion of the work has been executed by Messrs. Little; the stone carving by Mr. White and Mr. Lee; and the carving in oak by Mr. Stalon. The stone is from the Derbyshire quarries, principally Duffield and Ashover. The black material with which some of the floors are inlaid, is from Ashford, in that county. Many of the tradesmen of Derby, Leicester, Loughborough, and other town in the vicinity, have been employed, it being the wish of Mr. Herrick that his neighbours should have the preference. Mr. Haslam, bell hanger, Mr. G. Bridgart, builder, and Mr. Lee, carver, of Derby, have been engaged upon the works, and a considerable number of Derby masons and carpenters.
— "Beau Manor Hall". Nottingham Review & General Advertiser for the Midlands, 18 August 1848. Available on the BNA here.

Pardon the lengthy quote, but I included it in its entirety because we can see that "G. Bridgart" is only included as a mention among many other names. He did not have as much involvement as the architect William Railton, who is mentioned first. I assume that "G." in "G. Bridgart" would be George Bridgart, and this is consistent as upon further research, a builder by the name of George Bridgart from Derby did exist. However, his footprint in the historical record is minimal. He does not have a Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry and much of the information on him is scattered. Therefore, the singling out of George Bridgart is rather abitrary on both accounts of his general notability and the extensiveness of his contribution to the construction.

In conclusion, it is not of a neutral point of view to elevate George Bridgart to the same level of William Railton. The mention of Bridgart is in the lead section, which according to the Manual of Style would include the most important details. In fact, according to the Nottingham Review article, "A considerable portion of the work has been executed by Messrs. Little". If we were to go by the Nottingham Review article, then Bridgart's contribution would not even be of the most extensive.

My proposed solution for this would be to drop the mention of George Bridgart in the lead section, leaving only the mention that it was designed by William Railton. Then, in the Beaumanor Park history section, there would be further elaboration that various tradesmen from the surrounding towns contributed to the construction of the manor, because Herrick wished to heed to the preferences of his neighbours (as per the Nottingham Review article). This solution would not only be neutral and objective to the reality of who had the most involvement in the construction of Beaumanor Hall, but it would also give additional information that Herrick's intention was to involve the greater community in the construction. --Junemoon19 (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you make your case well and that the evidence supports your proposed action. Be bold!--TedColes (talk) 11:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]