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End of Kovpak's partisans

I vaguely remember anything about the end of Kovpak's resistance in WWII. As far as I remember, his forces perished in what was expexted to be a battle with much superior German force but Kovpak was airlifted to safety by the order of Stavka. Whatever it was, could someone add this story to an article? It is a significant fact, I think. -Irpen 01:27, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

The article I read about Kovpak partisans ( http://www.communist.ru/lenta/?745) said nothing about his unit being destroyed.

At the end of the article it says: "The elite SS units sent to destroy Kovpak's partisans encircled his units but were unable to defeat them. Kovpak managed to break through encirclement after he divided his force into numerous small groups. Most of his partisans made to back to the forests of Polesie (northern Ukraine and southern Belarus). Later they once again united into one mighty Kovpak's force. In January 1944 they were renamed into the 1st Ukrainian partisan division named after their commander - Sydor Kovpak." I was not able to find any more info on this in other sources. (Fisenko 01:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC))

OK, looks like I was wrong about airlift. Here is a good article in Zerkalo Nedeli (Kiev) to use in expanding this WP article [1]. There is more if one enters "Ковпак" in the search string at newspapers site www.zerkalo-nedeli.com. Quote:

После упомянутого уже Делятинского сражения, где немцы силами специально натасканных для боев в горах альпийских дивизий разгромят состоявшее в большинстве своем из гражданских лиц соединение Ковпака, его остатки, разделившись на несколько групп, широким веером будут пробиваться на Полесье, к своим. С одной из групп из Карпатского рейда невредимым вернется и сам Ковпак. Получив об этом известие, Сталин изречет — тоже пересказанную под обещание молчать — историческую фразу:

— Нужно сохраныт для Украины народного гэроя.

Ковпака, наградив, отправят в тыл — в Киев, к генералу Строкачу, в Украинский штаб партизанского движения. А прославленное его соединение сумских партизан переформируют в 1-ю Украинскую партизанскую дивизию имени Ковпака. Командовать ею и поставят Петра Вершигору.

-Irpen 03:39, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Name transliteration, Ukranian or Russian?

Quite a difficult topic to discuss, although Kovpak was Ukranian and most of his actions took place in Ukraine, by Wikipedia's default, most of the history WWII on the eastern front is given using Russian transliteration (e.g. battle of Kharkov, storming of the Dniepr, defence of Odessa...). I think there is a case for moving the article to Sidor Artemovich Kovpak.

Kuban kazak 14:55, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest to leave it as is. Kovpak is not such a household name even among the WW2 fans. Also, he had an active post-War career in Soviet Ukraine. A clearly Ukrainian person in every possible way. Let's keep the Ukrainian name. --Irpen 15:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

He lived not only during WWII. He was born into a Ukrainian family, he lived most of his life in Ukraine. What is the reason to change his name?--AndriyK 15:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

He was a SOVIET General and a Hero of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Army used Russian and the names of non-Russian Soviet commanders generally go into history as they were written in Russian. Furthermore, this man was a communist and more than likely *saw* himself as Soviet first, and then Ukrainian. Aadieu (talk) 01:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...as well as against Denikin's White Army in a legendary Vasily Chapayev's cavalry division.

This is and obvious geographical nonsense, because Chapayev never fought against Denikin.--Paul Siebert (talk) 06:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Axis forces?

The use of Axis forces in the context of Kovpak's military activities during the WW II is a gross exaggeration. So called Axis forces encompass Germany, Italy and Japan in the context of the strategic political and sometimes military collaboration during WW II. However, there were no designated military campaigns signed as "Axis forces" campaigns. In the context of Kovpak's activities during WW II, he has exclusively fought against German occupying forces, not Italian or Japanese. Therefore, I propose to remove "Axis forces" and replace it with "Germans" from the following sentence:

At the time of the German invasion of Soviet Ukraine partisan units led by Sydir Kovpak waged guerrilla warfare against Axis forces originally in partisan strongholds in Sumy and Bryansk regions but later its operation spread deep into German-occupied territory including Kyiv, Zhytomyr, Rivne, Homyel, Volyn and other regions. 74.14.215.83 (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]